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« on: January 29, 2011, 03,37:02 PM » |
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Could someone at AMTRA please explain why rec rego is not allowed at the HCR? I have just changed bikes and now have rec rego. (Huusky WR 360 with std quiet exhaust.) For 4-5 rides a year its all i need. After 3 HCRs I'd like to make it four and more. Thanks. spilair@bigpond.com |
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Brad
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 04,02:35 PM » |
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Hi Ben,
There are a couple of roads in the area namely the one the property is on which is designated a major road.
The permit we are granted by DSE/Parks Vic currently does not allow us to use this road without having full registration.
I am looking at a new bike and ride about 15 times a year. When I get the bike it will also be REC REG.
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« Last Edit: January 29, 2011, 04,05:42 PM by Brad »
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Peter Monty
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2011, 05,19:28 PM » |
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Hi Brad,
I have to disagree with the term major road being an issue against rec rego. Rec rego covers the bike on unsealed roads. That precludes the verge/ sides of any sealed road. I have had a couple of instances where authority has requested licenses etc, those on rec reg must have a valid license or permit, but the issue of major/ minor road was not an issue. I only raise this as I know that we checked vic roads when rec registering a bike a couple of months ago.
Look at the acheron way (buxton to warby) you cant use rec reg on the sealed bits at either end, but you are legal on the dirt section in the middle. Thats a fairly major road.
My two bobs worth.
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Peter r
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 05,32:49 PM » |
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Now for my 2 Bob's Worth!!!
If you can afford to Ride, you can afford Full Reg.
"Simple" get over this Rec Reg Crap, and you will never have to worry about where you can ride, it's that easy!!!!!
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Ian Robinson
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2011, 05,37:56 PM » |
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Now for my 2 Bob's Worth!!!
If you can afford to Ride, you can afford Full Reg.
"Simple" get over this Rec Reg Crap, and you will never have to worry about where you can ride, it's that easy!!!!!
Well said Peter. rec reg limits where you can ride. it has nothing to do with whether the road is dirt or not. The roads are classed and it has to do with the class number. With rec reg you can not even ride into Woods Point or on the road outside the club property legally. I get to ride only a couple of times a year but still have full reg as then I can ride where I want. Ian |
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Peter Monty
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 07,13:36 PM » |
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So where is this class system of roads catalogued fellas? I would like to look at it so I am better informed
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Peter Monty
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 07,23:21 PM » |
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OK this is off the vic roads web site!
Conditions
There are a number of conditions applying to operating a recreation vehicle. They are:
Recreation motorcycles are only permitted to be operated on roads (except declared freeways and arterial roads, including roads formerly designated as forest roads, under the Road Management Act 2004) that are:
located outside "built up areas" as defined by speed zones of less than 100 km/h, or
those areas that are not a road and are solely for the training and assessment of a holder of a motorcycle learner permit by an organisation approved by VicRoads for that purpose
the vehicle must not carry any load or a person other than the rider
the rider must wear a protective helmet of the type approved under the Road Rules Victori
Looking at this the paragraph
including roads formerly designated as forest roads
Looks like a bit that does prove you correct! In which case I agree you are right & I am wrong. But this seems an out on vic roads behalf so I will ask them to clarify it. Not to create an angst rather to understand the issue at hand.
Now go & watch the TV!
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Ian Robinson
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 08,53:10 PM » |
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The original question is why does AMTRA exclude rec reg bikes from the HCR.
The answer is that some of the roads used, including the road outside the property can not be used by rec reg bikes. AMTRA will not put entrants in a situation where the bikes can not legally be used.
FYI this was discussed by the HCR Committee, the AMTRA committee and at a Monthly meeting where the question was asked of the members as to whether reg reg should be allowed at the event. The majority of members present voted NO.
AMTRA expects to fill all available places easily with out rec reg bikes.
Perhaps in the future that may change but with the road outside the property not suitable for rec reg, unless the road is reclassed I cant see it happening.
Ian
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 10,31:04 PM » |
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The other important thing to note is that the Saturday ride will go through the township of Whitfield, and rec reg is not allowed to be used there. Infact, every year the ride runs through one township or another and the same applies.
Theoretically, we could set the course so that it doesn't run through a town, but this would mean using the (relatively) same tracks and route, year after year, and I reckon that would become somewhat boring.
As Ian mentioned, this matter was taken to the members and discussed (at length). The members decided to keep the event 'full reg' only. In the background, I have been in contact with VicRoads/RTA regarding a 'Certificate of Approved Operation', which could give us a one-off allowance to use rec reg on the event. Although I know these certificates exist, neither body has been very helpful in obtaining one. If we can obtain this ruling, we may be able to offer reg reg for future events, provided it is what the members want
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2011, 12,36:24 PM » |
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Hi Ben,
There are a couple of roads in the area namely the one the property is on which is designated a major road.
The permit we are granted by DSE/Parks Vic currently does not allow us to use this road without having full registration.
I am looking at a new bike and ride about 15 times a year. When I get the bike it will also be REC REG.
According to Vic Roads, it is legal to ride a rec reg bike on Abbeyard Rd at Abbeyard. I suggest AMTRA make this enquiry with them to find out first hand. The DSE/Parks Vic permit can stipulate any conditions but the condition that rec reg not be allowed is a condition that neither authority has the power to enforce under the relevant acts and regulations. This condition is made in error since neither authority can enforce it and AMTRA would not be breaking any law if it did allow rec reg to enter. It's not likely the ride will fill up, it didn't even go close last year and numbers are trending downwards. Why not just get the permit to allow rec reg as the blue light ride has done in the past? |
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2011, 12,59:30 PM » |
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According to Vic Roads, it is legal to ride a rec reg bike on Abbeyard Rd at Abbeyard. I suggest AMTRA make this enquiry with them to find out first hand.
The DSE/Parks Vic permit can stipulate any conditions but the condition that rec reg not be allowed is a condition that neither authority has the power to enforce under the relevant acts and regulations. This condition is made in error since neither authority can enforce it and AMTRA would not be breaking any law if it did allow rec reg to enter.
It's not likely the ride will fill up, it didn't even go close last year and numbers are trending downwards. Why not just get the permit to allow rec reg as the blue light ride has done in the past?
[/quote]who is this masked man[rosco p.coltrain]for a non member they sure know a lot of the ins and outs of amtra
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2011, 01,08:34 PM » |
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Hi Ben,
There are a couple of roads in the area namely the one the property is on which is designated a major road.
The permit we are granted by DSE/Parks Vic currently does not allow us to use this road without having full registration.
I am looking at a new bike and ride about 15 times a year. When I get the bike it will also be REC REG.
According to Vic Roads, it is legal to ride a rec reg bike on Abbeyard Rd at Abbeyard. I suggest AMTRA make this enquiry with them to find out first hand. The DSE/Parks Vic permit can stipulate any conditions but the condition that rec reg not be allowed is a condition that neither authority has the power to enforce under the relevant acts and regulations. This condition is made in error since neither authority can enforce it and AMTRA would not be breaking any law if it did allow rec reg to enter. It's not likely the ride will fill up, it didn't even go close last year and numbers are trending downwards. Why not just get the permit to allow rec reg as the blue light ride has done in the past? I have personally seen the letter from Myrtleford Police stating that Abbeyard Road (as well as Buckland Valley Road) is not suitable for rec reg. This letter was sent to the HCR co-ordinator 4 years ago when the enquiry was made. Ian |
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2011, 01,26:09 PM » |
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Just write to Vic roads and ask them. They are the final authority on what roads are legal for rec reg, not some bush copper from 4 years ago or the DSE/Parks Vic.
Did the members vote re rec reg in the HCR under the false belief the rec reg was not allowed out the front of the property? Sounds like whoever is spruiking this rubbish just doesn't want rec reg in the ride.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2011, 01,37:47 PM » |
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who is this masked man[rosco p.coltrain]for a non member they sure know a lot of the ins and outs of amtra [/quote] Hey Seano, the masked man, Rosco T Dykes   |
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2011, 03,46:54 PM » |
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Every year (since rec rego was introduced) the HCR organizing commitee has discussed the issue of inclusion of rec rego bikes. Every year, due to the suitability of tracks and routes, the availability of fuel and other reasons, the HCR committee has decided to deny the inclusion of rec reg bikes. This year, for the first time ever (certainly that I recall), the HCR committee took the issue directly to the AMTRA members and asked wether they wanted rec reg to be catered for. The members said 'no'. So that is where the decision rests!
The members of AMTRA decide which direction AMTRA heads. The committee (HCR or general) carry out the wishes of the club. Whilst it is good to get ideas and feedback from the forums on this web-site, it is the members who have the final say.
I openly welcome those contributors to this thread to join AMTRA (if you haven't already done so), and get involved in the organization of the 2012 event. If the use of rec reg at the HCR is of importance to you, then you can advocate for its use at the next ride, (that's, in part what I'm doing!)
I'd like to see all discussion on this topic (for 2011) cease, as it is a waste of energy for the HCR committe, the general committee and the members (in general). Such energies can be better spent doing things that will benefit the ride.
Cheers.
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