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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2011, 04,20:42 PM » |
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Every year (since rec rego was introduced) the HCR organizing commitee has discussed the issue of inclusion of rec rego bikes. Every year, due to the suitability of tracks and routes, the availability of fuel and other reasons, the HCR committee has decided to deny the inclusion of rec reg bikes. This year, for the first time ever (certainly that I recall), the HCR committee took the issue directly to the AMTRA members and asked wether they wanted rec reg to be catered for. The members said 'no'. So that is where the decision rests!
The members of AMTRA decide which direction AMTRA heads. The committee (HCR or general) carry out the wishes of the club. Whilst it is good to get ideas and feedback from the forums on this web-site, it is the members who have the final say.
I openly welcome those contributors to this thread to join AMTRA (if you haven't already done so), and get involved in the organization of the 2012 event. If the use of rec reg at the HCR is of importance to you, then you can advocate for its use at the next ride, (that's, in part what I'm doing!)
I'd like to see all discussion on this topic (for 2011) cease, as it is a waste of energy for the HCR committe, the general committee and the members (in general). Such energies can be better spent doing things that will benefit the ride.
Cheers.
ok all good and well to have a vote at a meeting where only a small percentage of our 300 or so members attend, yeah yeah i know there welcome to attend so why dont they blah blah .next year how about a vote on the web site so more of the members will get a vote.im sure there are a lot more interested in this than those of us that can attend meetings . just my two bobs worth |
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2011, 05,03:13 PM » |
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Every year (since rec rego was introduced) the HCR organizing commitee has discussed the issue of inclusion of rec rego bikes. Every year, due to the suitability of tracks and routes, the availability of fuel and other reasons, the HCR committee has decided to deny the inclusion of rec reg bikes. This year, for the first time ever (certainly that I recall), the HCR committee took the issue directly to the AMTRA members and asked wether they wanted rec reg to be catered for. The members said 'no'. So that is where the decision rests!
The members of AMTRA decide which direction AMTRA heads. The committee (HCR or general) carry out the wishes of the club. Whilst it is good to get ideas and feedback from the forums on this web-site, it is the members who have the final say.
I openly welcome those contributors to this thread to join AMTRA (if you haven't already done so), and get involved in the organization of the 2012 event. If the use of rec reg at the HCR is of importance to you, then you can advocate for its use at the next ride, (that's, in part what I'm doing!)
I'd like to see all discussion on this topic (for 2011) cease, as it is a waste of energy for the HCR committe, the general committee and the members (in general). Such energies can be better spent doing things that will benefit the ride.
Cheers.
ok all good and well to have a vote at a meeting where only a small percentage of our 300 or so members attend, yeah yeah i know there welcome to attend so why dont they blah blah .next year how about a vote on the web site so more of the members will get a vote.im sure there are a lot more interested in this than those of us that can attend meetings . just my two bobs worth AMTRA has club meetings to talk about club issues, as it has for over forty years; it is not an internet based club. The internet is a place where club info is exchanged and a tool the club uses to get info out there. Meetings are where the club talks about club matters, where all people who attend hear all of the relevant info and the club makes decisions after considering all that info. There are members of the club who never look at this site, how do they have their say  Why do people who only have Rec Reg get so hung up on the fact that they can't do this ride, if it was held interstate they couldn't do it, if it was held out of built up area they couldn't do it, if it uses roads that Rec Reg isn't allowed on, they can't do it. This is just another thing you can’t do on a Rec Reged bike. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2011, 05,30:07 PM » |
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Every year (since rec rego was introduced) the HCR organizing commitee has discussed the issue of inclusion of rec rego bikes. Every year, due to the suitability of tracks and routes, the availability of fuel and other reasons, the HCR committee has decided to deny the inclusion of rec reg bikes. This year, for the first time ever (certainly that I recall), the HCR committee took the issue directly to the AMTRA members and asked wether they wanted rec reg to be catered for. The members said 'no'. So that is where the decision rests!
The members of AMTRA decide which direction AMTRA heads. The committee (HCR or general) carry out the wishes of the club. Whilst it is good to get ideas and feedback from the forums on this web-site, it is the members who have the final say.
I openly welcome those contributors to this thread to join AMTRA (if you haven't already done so), and get involved in the organization of the 2012 event. If the use of rec reg at the HCR is of importance to you, then you can advocate for its use at the next ride, (that's, in part what I'm doing!)
I'd like to see all discussion on this topic (for 2011) cease, as it is a waste of energy for the HCR committe, the general committee and the members (in general). Such energies can be better spent doing things that will benefit the ride.
Cheers.
ok all good and well to have a vote at a meeting where only a small percentage of our 300 or so members attend, yeah yeah i know there welcome to attend so why dont they blah blah .next year how about a vote on the web site so more of the members will get a vote.im sure there are a lot more interested in this than those of us that can attend meetings . just my two bobs worth AMTRA has club meetings to talk about club issues, as it has for over forty years; it is not an internet based club. The internet is a place where club info is exchanged and a tool the club uses to get info out there. Meetings are where the club talks about club matters, where all people who attend hear all of the relevant info and the club makes decisions after considering all that info. There are members of the club who never look at this site, how do they have their say Why do people who only have Rec Reg get so hung up on the fact that they can't do this ride, if it was held interstate they couldn't do it, if it was held out of built up area they couldn't do it, if it uses roads that Rec Reg isn't allowed on, they can't do it. This is just another thing you can’t do on a Rec Reged bike. you said it first tim 40 years ago , you probably didnt have videos to watch let alone cameras to film them with ,but we do at our meetings now ,things change mate its just the way it is.no harm in a little change |
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2011, 06,00:30 PM » |
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Why do people who only have Rec Reg get so hung up on the fact that they can't do this ride, if it was held interstate they couldn't do it, if it was held out of built up area they couldn't do it, if it uses roads that Rec Reg isn't allowed on, they can't do it.
This is just another thing you can’t do on a Rec Reged bike.
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Tim, its just not people with only Rec Reg bikes who are hung up on it.
I have a fully registered bike, and if at all possible, I think rec reg inclusion for 2012 would be a good thing. Will
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2011, 08,38:34 PM » |
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i would love to put in and help but as i only have rec rego all i can do is cooking and cleaning not my strong point. after talking to many members i think they would also like to put in and volunteer but are unable to due to rec rego i ride all year round and dont need full rego its not worth $500 for this once a year to help out if you can come up with a solution that wont cost me so much money  i will be there to help  pommie mat |
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 10,01:26 PM » |
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I also ride a rec rego bike, and was prepared to help out on the HCR ride, but if this is the clubs attitude towards rec rego I won’t be able to.
Just wondering when full rego bikes are scrutineered will they all be checked for ADR compliant tyres and indicators, because if they don’t comply they are unroadworthy and may as well have rec rego!
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 11,29:28 PM » |
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My bike too has RecReg and if I was required to have had full rego, then I probably wouldn't have been able to get into riding in the first place, I just scraped through buying a bike and gear, let alone an expensive registration that I almost never need...
Either way, I think it's AMTRA's call with regards to the HCR and trust the committee are doing the best they can to cater for everyone. If it's too difficult to allow RecReg riders due to the HCR location and course then that's just how it is. It would be great if the club could continue to pursue options to allow RecReg bikes as I believe the ride would attract heaps more riders and make it a more profitable event.
But if people don't like it, there's heaps of other organised rides throughout the year such as the Stockmans Rally, Red Light Ride, Sawmill Rally etc that all cater for RecReg bikes and if people want to ride in an event with RecReg then there are options. From all accounts, the AMTRA HCR is a unique ride due to its challenges, location and is incredibly well organised, but if you want a ride with a RecReg bike, then you need to currently look elsewhere.
With regards to Sean's point, having a vote on the website would be great. But failing that, I believe that having the topics for each meeting listed on the website would be the next best thing. My thought would be that members would need to submit their main topics for discussion by the Monday before the meeting as a comment against the calendar entry (or a PM to a committee member). The president (or committee) decide which topics are then tabled and discussed (or carried over due to time limits) and post these by the Tuesday before the meeting, allowing the members enough time to see what's being discussed so interested members can ensure they attend. If a new topic needs to be raised at the meeting then it's done so at the end and if time permits. It's not easy for me to attend each meeting, but I will ensure I attend if a topic of interest to me is being raised.
I only heard about the HCR/RecReg discussion after it happened and suspect that not enough interested parties were there to support a case for pursuing RecReg options at future events. As a side note, I attended Pete's Post-Chrissy Eildon ride (top day) and noticed that atleast 40-50% of the group had RecReg so it is popular (event though we rode into Jamieson)
But as Serge said, the 2011 event is Full Reg only and can't be changed, just need to put our support behind the committee to make it a success..
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2011, 07,37:33 AM » |
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Well said dan ever thought about running 4 a committee position. I will scrub u of that ride list, I hope she is going 2 make it up 2 you. Will
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2011, 07,51:44 AM » |
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Gary and Broco5,
You don't need full rego to volunteer, in fact you don't need any rego!
There is plenty of duties that AMTRA needs able bodies to perform. Cooking and cleaning, yes, but also check points, front gate check out (my favorite), camp-site direction, registration tent, scruitineering tent, beer/food sales tent and so on. Over the weekend you could be asked to do a multiple of tasks, but we can't allocate those tasks untill we have a pool of volunteers to rely on.
Sure, we need sweep riders, and those riders will need to have the appropriate registration, but please don't let that deter you from coming away to what is traditionally a great weekend. And more importantly, the primary fund raising event for AMTRA.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 09,54:16 AM » |
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My bike too has RecReg and if I was required to have had full rego, then I probably wouldn't have been able to get into riding in the first place, I just scraped through buying a bike and gear, let alone an expensive registration that I almost never need...
Either way, I think it's AMTRA's call with regards to the HCR and trust the committee are doing the best they can to cater for everyone. If it's too difficult to allow RecReg riders due to the HCR location and course then that's just how it is. It would be great if the club could continue to pursue options to allow RecReg bikes as I believe the ride would attract heaps more riders and make it a more profitable event.
But if people don't like it, there's heaps of other organised rides throughout the year such as the Stockmans Rally, Red Light Ride, Sawmill Rally etc that all cater for RecReg bikes and if people want to ride in an event with RecReg then there are options. From all accounts, the AMTRA HCR is a unique ride due to its challenges, location and is incredibly well organised, but if you want a ride with a RecReg bike, then you need to currently look elsewhere.
With regards to Sean's point, having a vote on the website would be great. But failing that, I believe that having the topics for each meeting listed on the website would be the next best thing. My thought would be that members would need to submit their main topics for discussion by the Monday before the meeting as a comment against the calendar entry (or a PM to a committee member). The president (or committee) decide which topics are then tabled and discussed (or carried over due to time limits) and post these by the Tuesday before the meeting, allowing the members enough time to see what's being discussed so interested members can ensure they attend. If a new topic needs to be raised at the meeting then it's done so at the end and if time permits. It's not easy for me to attend each meeting, but I will ensure I attend if a topic of interest to me is being raised.
I only heard about the HCR/RecReg discussion after it happened and suspect that not enough interested parties were there to support a case for pursuing RecReg options at future events. As a side note, I attended Pete's Post-Chrissy Eildon ride (top day) and noticed that atleast 40-50% of the group had RecReg so it is popular (event though we rode into Jamieson)
But as Serge said, the 2011 event is Full Reg only and can't be changed, just need to put our support behind the committee to make it a success..
Onya Dan for a level headed but pointed post , their are allways to sides to any story and you covered both extremley well. If a cant ride I cant help seems to be the general concensus , but from a personal perpective if i couldnt ride i would go and help out anyway due to the fact that this ride is a major fund raiser for the club , and if it wasnt for AMTRA my weekends would be pretty darn boring and quality rides with quaility support and good mates would be much harder to come by ... |
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2012, 02,14:45 PM » |
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Now for my 2 Bob's Worth!!!
If you can afford to Ride, you can afford Full Reg.
"Simple" get over this Rec Reg Crap, and you will never have to worry about where you can ride, it's that easy!!!!!
Well said Peter. rec reg limits where you can ride. it has nothing to do with whether the road is dirt or not. The roads are classed and it has to do with the class number. With rec reg you can not even ride into Woods Point or on the road outside the club property legally. I get to ride only a couple of times a year but still have full reg as then I can ride where I want. Ian not all people can out lay the money for full reg when you ride 3-4 time a year  |
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